Is there a Pre-Trib rapture? NOPE

This is That Part 2

What we have learned this far: (Review Part 1)

Psa 87:5  “And of Zion (the Church) it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her. ---If Jew or Gentile is not born of Spirit and water they can not be saved by a COW, not now, not next week, not ever.  Salvation went to the Jew first not last.  Jesus told the ruler of the Jews, if Jews want to be saved "marvel not" Jews MUST be born again. Of what?  Spirit and water just like everybody else.  If the law could have saved anybody it would have saved Paul.  Notice in his conversion what did JESUS say do?  Go buy a cow or be born again?  Notice after his conversion he refers to this as a revelation.  If you have been hoodwinked into thinking you can have an ANTICHRIST without Christ that's sad.  Christ is in the body meaning we are going to be here and THIS gospel shall be preached ---THEN shall the END come.  NO PRE-FIBB RAPTURE.  I have heard people say, God ain't gonna beat up on his bride.  That's true but the bible says, SATAN is.  It will be given into his hand to make war against the saints and overcome them for a time.  If there is an ANTI CHRIST there must be a CHRIST, Christ is in you "the Church" and if the Church isn't here during that time ---Simply put it takes the body of Christ being here to have an ANTI CHRIST----IF the Church was raptured before his time "Son of Perdition", then the ANTI CHRIST does not exist.  No Church, No ANTI CHRIST.  Who is he going to be against himself?  People confuse the wrath of God with great tribulation.  The Church will go through great tribulation but not God's wrath.  Example:  God removed Lot and poured out his wrath the same day.  Noah got in the boat and God poured out his wrath the same day.  Jesus used these two example to explain his return.  NOTICE nobody got a second chance in these two examples, nor 7 years to get right with God, they got wrath not salvation.  READ, please

Psa 87:6  The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there:  Born Where?  In Zion, which is the mother of all living.  A cow can't save anybody, nor can the law.  Why did Christ come?  Because the law can not and never will ---even in the future save a church mouse must less a bunch of Jews who said, NO to Acts 2:38.  If God allowed them to be saved without being born again.  Then God is a respect of person in judgment, which makes God a sinner.  He would also have to die to void Acts 2:38 a testament "way to be saved" is not of force unless the testator dieth.  The bible says, Christ dieth NO MORE.  Simply put Acts 2:38 is an everlasting covenant that can not be replaced by the law and 7 years.  The question is...How can we preach ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE NAME, NO OTHER PLAN and then preach pre-fibb that teaches the law saves people who refuse Acts 2:38.  That would make you twoness "if that is a word" instead of ONENESS.  Do you believe in one way to be saved Jew or Gentile?  Yes or no.  If you save well...but...then your revelation of Act 2:38----needs help.  Make up your mind.  Is God a liar?  Is God truth.  Truth will make us free---the law never has and never will.......wake up

(Heb 12:22 KJV)  But ye are come unto mount Sion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem...

THIS IS THAT but THAT AIN’T THIS

Luke 24:5  “Why seek ye the living among the dead? “ Why seek the Holy Ghost among any relegion that is NOT ZION? 

Mat 11:28  “Come unto me "the body of Christ, not the law"all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”  The New Testament rest is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  Jesus is saying “Come unto the body of Christ (“the Church”) and I’ll baptize you with the Holy Ghost.  I’ll give you rest. 

John 7:37  “...If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.”  every place he says come unto me, apply common sense---he is saying come unto the Church of the living God.....not the law, not ever.

   

Paul said it like this  Gal 4:26  “But Jerusalem (the Church)  which is above  is free, which is the mother of us all.”  Do we even know who our mother is?  It's the Church.  Jew first, then Gentile all ONE BODY.

(Rom 11:26 KJV)  all Israel shall be saved: But all Israel is NOT all Israel

Do we know the difference between Israel, Hebrew, and Jew.  It's not the same.  To be saved we must be of the tribe of JUDAH.  Only one way to be of that tribe.  Marvel not you must be born again.

(Heb 11:18 KJV)  But ...IN Isaac shall thy seed be called:

(Rom 9:8 KJV)  the children of the flesh, (Geographic Israel) are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.  If i want to be in Abraham's promise Paul said I must be in Christ first.  How do I get in Christ.  New Birth, Not law.

READ (Key word is Promise)

(Gal 3:17 KJV)  And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, (WHERE is the covenant)the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (Nothing will VOID Act 2:38)

(Gal 3:18 KJV)  For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

(Gal 3:29 KJV)  And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.  (HOW do I get in Christ to Obtain the promise given to Abraham?)  Do we recall what Jesus said unto the Jews?  If Abraham were your father....but your father is not Abraham.  Why?  Got to be in Christ.  When we are baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ we are baptized into HIM.  When we receive the Holy Ghost he is baptized into us.  Like HE said, I in you and you in me...;)

(Gal 3:27 KJV)  For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (The Apostle Paul, Hebrew of the Hebrews, Jew of the Jews, Pharisee of Pharisees, Dr. of the law.  He was top dog of all dogs....If anybody could be saved without Acts 2:38 the Apostle had the creditals.......BUT there was a street which is called Straight... Even In the life of this JEW.  (When we are baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we are baptized into the body of Christ)  In his conversion did God use the law or grace and truth to save him?  Jesus the same yesterday....and forever.  God said, I change not.

(1 Cor 12:13 KJV)  For by one Spirit (Only ONE real HG) are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.  (He said, Jew or Gentiles, makes no difference NOBODY is getting around Acts 2:38)

THIS IS THAT but THAT AIN’T THIS

(Rom 2:28 KJV)  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;

(Rom 2:29 KJV)  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; (Letter Killeth but the Spirit giveth life)

The law didn’t and never will.  But THIS...

(Heb 8:8 KJV)  For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (Never does say he established a third.)  DARBY did.  Who is Darby?  This clown does not even have the New Birth.

(John 3:1 KJV)  There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: (Jesus told the Jews straight up if you want to get in this kingdom, marvel not JEWS.....you too MUST be born again.

Salvation went to the Jews first, not last... if they get saved it will take THIS gospel.

We learned that RAPTURE is NOT a synonym for caught up.

Etymology:Latin raptus

Date:1629

1 a : a state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion (but Not by God)

According to W.W. Skeat’s "Etymology of the English Language, 1879", the word "rapture" was coined by William Shakespeare. The English word "rapture" means "to be transported by a lofty emotion or ecstasy".

Caught up in the Greek means:

to seize (in various applications):--catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force). (the twist to tie the word rapture with caught up through the words such as:

Seize and transport but the Church is not seized by an emotion.... but by GOD....The Church is not transported or caught up by Shakespeare but by GOD.....RAPTURE is not a synonym BUT a DOCTRINE of the Anti-Christ....It is against Christ being the ONLY way to be saved or plucked or caught up out of this world) (God will yank the church out before his WRATH on Babylon but not tribulation period)...READ

(Rev 4:1 KJV) is NOT the church but JOHN...(Rev 18:4 KJV)  Come out of her, my people, ...(Rev 18:23 KJV) ...(Rev 18:24 KJV) 

Where did the doctrine of RAPTURE come from?

1.  Some theologians say it originated with the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes.  (Rev 2:15 KJV)  So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

2.  Doctrine of DISPENSATION (with out doubt the modern doctrine came from)

Dates back to 1830 in Scotland. Dispensationalism can be traced to the visions of Margaret McDonald, McDonald was fifteen years old in 1830 when she claimed to be a prophetess.  She believed that the return of Christ would be in two distinct stages. The believer would be caught up to the Lord in the air before the days of the antichrist. Then there would be a final revelation of Christ at the end of the age.  (How do you have two stages of a second coming?  Can we count?  That would make Jesus come back at least 3 time but I can't find that garbage anywhere in the bible)  This is not a personal conviction.  When we embrace this pre-fibb doctrine we are saying, God is a respect of persons and Acts 2:38 is not the only way to be saved.  Pre-fibb attacks ONENESS doctrine.  We can't be Eph 4:5 and prefibb.  We can't be both.  If we are pre-fibb, we are twoness and confused.

The Role of J.N. Darby This two-stage return of the Lord, unheard of before 1830, became the platform for a movement called dispensationalism. Darby was responsible for developing the two-stage coming of Christ into a fully developed eschatology or theology. Darby set forth the idea that God has set up seven time periods called dispensations.

However, C. I. Scofield popularized the dispensational system in his study Bible.

A doctrine of Eschatology (50 cent word...If it is to hard to comprehend it is probally NOT true) Beyond the seven dispensations, the Darby movement had a definite program of eschatology in five steps.

    1. A two-stage coming of Christ--rapture

    2. Seven years of tribulation on earth for those not raptured. The last three and a half years will be the time of the antichrist. One hundred forty-four thousand Jews will accept Christ and become evangelists.  (One theory is the LAW)

What does the bible teach about dispensation?

DISPENSATION An administration, ministry, or stewardship for which a person has responsibility in God's administration of salvation.

1.  (1 Cor 9:17 KJV)  For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation (admin or stewardship) of the gospel is committed unto me.  (I will be held accountable if I don’t preach this gospel)

2.  (Eph 1:10 KJV)  That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

3.  (Eph 3:2 KJV)  If ye have heard of the dispensation (administration or stewardship) of the grace of God which is given me:  (Eph 3:5 KJV)  Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

4.  (Col 1:25 KJV)  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation (adminstrator or stewardship) of God (Of the gospel...God is the word, the word is God, and the word is the Gospel....God is the gospel. (Not J.N. Darby, Not C. I. Scofield, Margaret McDonald,)  

Dispensation in the Greek is means administration or stewardship of what? The Gospel.

A lot a people think this doctrine has no affect and therefore doesn’t matter if it is taught right or wrong. 

But in scripture we find the Apostle Paul already addressed this doctrine.

(2 Tim 2:18 KJV)  Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; overthrow the faith of some.  19  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.(When the graves came open in the four gospels, some say this is the beginning of the first ressurrection.....but in a moment in a twinking of an eye ........Not over a period of thousands of years.)  Come on they are robbing you of the ONE hope of your calling which is the first resurrection....

Pete and Repete

Don’t take my word for it.......take HIS....
Come on:

(Acts 24:15 KJV)  I have hope toward God, that there shall be (didn’t take place in the four gospels) a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.  (In other words there is ONLY going to be TWO resurrections ONE of the JUST and ONE of the UNJUST.....)

(Phil 3:11 KJV)  If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

(Rev 20:6 KJV)  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,...

(Rev 21:8 KJV)  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

(Rev 20:14 KJV)  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

(Rev 20:15 KJV)  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.; which is the second death....(doesn’t mean cease to exist..)

But the Church:

(1 Cor 15:13 KJV)  But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:(1 Cor 15:14 KJV)  And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, faith is vain. (1 Cor 15:16 KJV)  For if the dead rise not, then Christ is not raised: (1 Cor 15:17 KJV)  And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. (1 Cor 15:19 KJV)  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

But Jesus said, We have HOPE........Not in this life only but in the next

(Luke 14:14 KJV)  .....for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just. (Luke 20:36 KJV)  ... being the children of the resurrection. (Not rapture...forget rapture ready.....resurrection ready....we shall be called children of the resurrection.

READ What doctrine got Paul’s head cut off? (Acts 23:6 KJV)  ...of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

How does it effect sinners?

(2 Pet 3:4 KJV)  And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.  Pentecostal Panic Buttons…..

(Rev 16:11 KJV)  And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.  How?  Why?

It is because of so called prophecy preachers that take advantage of EVERY disater (Katrina).....This is it.......The Lord is fixn’ to come back.........the day of the Lord is for an appointed time...read

(2 Th 2:3 KJV)  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Two places in all the bible where we find the term son of perdition.  Judas and the man of sin that is coming.

Here's one "If the anti christ is here when the church is here, we could cast him out and take dominion.  WRONG answer.  First we can't cast out half the devils we got now.  Second the BIBLE says, WE are given into his hand for a time to try us, purge us and make us white as snow.  He makes war against the Saints and overcomes them "what does it take to make a saint?  the law or Acts 2:38?"  Satan comes down with a lot of wrath and short time but who is he going to make war with, himself?  People that worship him? Or people that say, NOPE ....law will not save but Acts 2:38 can.

False Prophecies on the return of Christ:

1. 88 reason why Jesus would return (I met the guy)

2. 1991 Persian Gulf War......(Not Iraq....but Jerusalem)

3. 1999 Dec 31 People took bets in Vegas...

4. 2000 Jan 1 Was declared dooms day – Marshall Law...Y2K....

(2 Th 2:2 KJV)  That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

 

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation

Paul’s greatest struggle was to convince the Jews that righteousness came through Christ and not Moses’ Law.  So, it is today with Oneness people.

(Rom 9:28 KJV)  For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

(Rom 9:31 KJV)  But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.  (Rom 9:32 KJV)  Why? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. (Acts 17:31 KJV)  …he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man  ( Not by the law…) (Rom 2:16 KJV)  Paul said men will be judged .. according to my gospel.

How does the bible describe the Law?

(Gal 3:24 KJV) …the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ

When Christ came God said, Meet the teacher.  The teacher said, there is only one right answer.  Which is Christ.

(Rom 10:4 KJV)  For Christ is the end of the law…to every one that believeth. 

(Acts 13:39 KJV)…could not be justified by the law of Moses

(Heb 7:19 KJV)  For the law made nothing perfect, …

(Rom 4:15 KJV)  Because the law worketh wrath:

(Rom 5:20 KJV)  Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.

(Rom 7:5 KJV)  …the law brings forth fruit unto death.

(1 Cor 15:56 KJV)  …the strength of sin is the law

(Gal 2:16 KJV)  …for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

(Gal 3:10 KJV)  …if you are under the law you are under a curse

(Gal 3:12 KJV)  And the law is not of faith …

(Gal 3:11 KJV)  …it is evident: The just shall live by faith.

(Gal 2:21 KJV)  …the law frustrates the grace of God

                              If the law saves Christs’ death was in vain

(2Cor3 KJV):6…The letter killeth..

(Heb 10:11 KJV)  the law can never take away sins:

READ

(Heb 8:7 KJV)  For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.  (Heb 8:8 KJV)  For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (Heb 8:9 KJV)  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

(Isa 55:3 KJV)  Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

(Isa 46:13 KJV)  I bring near my righteousness: it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

What is the Covenant?

(Heb 8:10 KJV)  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:  Act 2:38 is the second covenant put in place to replace the law.

Is there a second chance?

(2 Th 1:7 KJV)  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

(2 Th 1:8 KJV)  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

(2 Th 1:9 KJV)  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

(2 Th 1:10 KJV)  When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.(2 Pet 3:10 KJV)  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Not Even Planet Earth

(1 Pet 3:20 KJV)  Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

(1 Pet 3:21 KJV)  The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Not Even the Heavens

(2 Pet 3:12 KJV)  Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

(2 Pet 3:13 KJV)  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

As it is in the physical so it is in the Spiritual.

(2 Cor 5:17 KJV)  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

(Heb 13:20 KJV)  Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Acts 2:38 was from the foundation of the world only in the mind of God but (Heb 1:2 KJV)  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;  Christ turned the shadows into substance and Acts 2:38 became available.  (Heb 11:40 KJV)  God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.   Acts 2:38 is a type and shadow – The final phase of Salvation is at the last trump.

(1 Cor 15:52 KJV)  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:53 KJV)  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

READ (Psa 14:7 KJV)  Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

READ (Psa 53:6 KJV)  Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

READ (Gal 1:8 KJV)  But though we, or an angel from heaven,  preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

One Body,

One Jew,

One covenant that will save,

One Jeruslaem,

One place to be born,

One Harvest,

One resurrection for the just,

One elect READ (1 Pet 1:2 KJV)  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.  

God calls his people out of this world at the LAST trump.  In the fifth seal the first resurrection has not taken place.  Read revelation chapter 18 this is where the CHURCH is called out and God's wrath is poured out.  Anybody who says, I can NOT find the Church past revelation chapter 4 is NOT reading the bible, please read.

Rev 18:23  And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 

Rev 18:24  And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Babylon the great is not ROME.  The son of perdition is not the pope.  It will be a Jew.  How do we know.  Because Jesus was rejected of the Jews due to where they thought he was BORN.  Do you really think a Jew will accept someone NOT from the correct location?  Read......

excuse any typos, words left out, i think but sometimes don't type.  This is not an essay is a wake up call.  If you have faith in education and not revelation well i have a degree in accounting, BBAM, and Finance from ULM.  Guess what none of this helps when it comes to his Truth.  It's revelation not education......;)  don't get mad because I tell the truth ....be glad...I am not trying to offend anyone but HELP ....;)  Acts 2:38 is FOREVER ----Jew or Gentile